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Saturday 21 June 2008

Asking a Windows refund, and getting it

This is an update to my previous post about getting a Windows license refund. In the meanwhile, some nice things have happened. First of all, my girlfriend was not the last to receive a refund for Windows Vista. Another Dutch Dell customer was refunded 220 Euro for Windows Vista Premium and Microsoft Works. In summary: he used a slightly modified e-mail based on the e-mail that we sent to Dell. I take my hat off for Dell Netherlands, they seem to grok their customers. Additionally, the Dutch "General Conditions" state the possibility to ask for a refund of the software (I am not sure if this paragraph existed as-is before). A quick and sloppy translation of the relevant part (please refer to the original Dutch text for an accurate formulation):

If you reject the conditions for the use of the software, and if you are a consumer, Dell accepts software returns within 7 working days after the delivery of the software, and Dell will refund the price you paid for the software.

Since many of these policies seem to be on a national (or maybe even regional) level, it often seems useful to provide region-specific information about refunds or the possibility to buy systems without Windows. For that purpose we started a Dutch site providing such information, eigen-pc.nl.

As a final remark: it may be even better to ask your vendor over the phone if you can order a machine without Windows, this may be less work for both sides.

Saturday 26 January 2008

Dell refunds Vista and Works license fee

Update #1: since some flaming already ensued I'd like to state first and foremost that the Dell representatives were very helpful and polite in handling this. They were open to this customer's wishes, and she was very satisfied with her purchase and the subsequent refund.
Update #2: After some requests, I have put the e-mails that were sent online.

Recently my girlfriend bought a new computer. She was looking for a model that supported GNU/Linux, and opted for a Dell Inspiron 530, one of the models that can be purchased with Ubuntu in the United States. Unfortunately, in The Netherlands no consumer models are available with Ubuntu or any other GNU/Linux distribution yet. So, with no other options available, she ordered the machine, which was very affordable and had good specs.

Since she had planned installing GNU/Linux all along, and she is not particularly fond of the though of paying the Microsoft tax for software she will wipe out right away, we took care to read the EULA that is shown the first time the machine. The license said that if the EULA is declined, the customer should contact the manufacturer (or installer) about their refund policy. By the way, the EULA box seems to have been engineered to let people accept the EULA as quickly as possible: the box in which the EULA is shown is very small, making it an uncomfortable read. Additionally, there is only a button to accept the EULA, so we appropriately used the power button as a reject button ;).

After forcefully rejecting the EULA, we cleaned the partition table and installed GNU/Linux (which, as expected, works great on the Inspiron 530). Once everything was configured, she wrote an e-mail to Dell's customer support. Since this is an English blog, I translated her e-mail:

Dear sir/madam,

A few days ago, I ordered a Dell computer. It was delivered yesterday, to my full satisfaction. The computer was pre-installed with Microsoft Windows Vista and Microsoft Works 8.0. Since I have installed GNU/Linux and declined the Windows license, I would like to make use of the refund option as described in the Windows and Works licenses.

I would like to inform how the refund procedure works, and would like to start it if possible.

Thanks in advance, With kind regards,

After a few days she received a reaction from Dell that stated that a refund would not be possible without returning the complete machine, because the license is inseparable from the hardware. In her answer she referred to previous cases where Dell Germany and Dell UK provided a refund to customers.

In the next reply a Dell representative answered that she was indeed eligible for a refund for both Windows Vista and Works. The combined refund is Euro 70 excluding tax. My conclusions:

  • This provides no guarantee that Dell will give refunds to other customers. But at the very least they seem to be open to consumer choice for GNU/Linux (they have been providing GNU/Linux on servers and workstations for a longer time). They are slowly introducing some models with GNU/Linux in the EU, and in this case they also provided a refund.
  • In the meanwhile I have heard from others that if you want a machine without Windows, it is often best to place an order by telephone to see if it is possible to order a machine without Windows, rather than using the website.
  • From this refund and other stories, it seems that the per-machine "Microsoft-tax" is about Euro 70 (excluding tax). That's quite much, try to get rid of it when you plan to erase any pre-installed system anyway. Aside the fact that it's better for your wallet, purchasing or asking for machines without Windows shows that there is customer demand for choice.